![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/78017773/3402370) | From: mighmos 2008-08-08 09:14 pm (UTC)
Looking good! | (Link)
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That looks pretty good. I used to use Theora, but stopped because it just didn't look nearly as good as Xvid. If this works keeps up, I might have a new default file format again. I'm curious, what's the difference in file size between the two versions?
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-08 11:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Looking good! | (Link)
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The better looking one (above) is even 0.3 MB smaller in size.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-09 03:19 pm (UTC)
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The post indicates the bitrate is the same (which it would have to be, otherwise the comparison is invalid).
Do you remember Wayne and Garth genuflecting to Alice Cooper? If not, time to go renting Wayne's world... :-)
This is really impressive. I hope gstreamer devs start utilizing this new encoder soon and we can see as good looking videos, if not better than, in theora as the ones in xvid os h264.
Thanks for all your great work.
It's not quite ready for deployment yet. For one thing, the RD lambdas are being set by hand right now because (surprise, surprise) the normal rho domain analysis assumptions don't hold after performing skip and token optimization. I believe xvid faced the same challenges when they implemented rho-domain, and eventually found a mapping that worked. That same work is still ahead for Thusnelda.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-09 04:56 pm (UTC)
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It seems a little below xvid in terms of details, but smoother (although probably xvid improved from the doom9 tests I'm comparing with). Quite good overall, so given that theora is a free codec, it becomes extremely competitive.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-08-09 05:01 pm (UTC)
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It is. It's still using the insanely bottom-heavy quantization matricies from VP3.2. The decoder can already handle the full Theora spec quantization extensions, it remains to implement any use of those extensions in the encoder.
That's quite an improvement. Congratulations!
From: yusufg 2008-08-11 12:35 am (UTC)
Current Thusnelda encoding doesn't playback well with VLC 0.8.6i on MacOSX 10.5.4 | (Link)
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Monty, Not sure what decoder is in VLC 0.8.6i on MacOSX 10.5.4, but when I try to playback the current Thusnelda encoding it renders all pixellated. The Mainline Theora clip plays back fine.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/78472053/15004965) | From: maikmerten 2008-08-11 08:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Current Thusnelda encoding doesn't playback well with VLC 0.8.6i on MacOSX 10.5.4 | (Link)
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There's a good chance that VLC is using the ffmpeg Theora decoder, which used to not implement all aspects of the Theora specification correctly. I can confirm that ffmpeg cannot correctly decode the test files provided here.
Good catch. While vlc appears to work properly on Ubuntu (maybe it uses a different backend?), ffmpeg decodes the Thusnelda streams as brightly-colored flashing blocks. I filed a bug at Launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg/+bug/259087), the Ubuntu bug tracker, on that. It's also been (a few days ago) filed at the ffmpeg tracker (http://roundup.mplayerhq.hu/roundup/ffmpeg/issue579), which is linked from Launchpad.
The problem--which turned out to require a really minor change--is fixed in FFmpeg r15166 (http://roundup.mplayerhq.hu/roundup/ffmpeg/issue579). Now that's service!
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-12 04:12 pm (UTC)
Using HTML5 Video tags would be nice | (Link)
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It would be good if folks using the Opera labs release or Firefox nightlies could get an early taste of the HTML5 video experience in your page with the demos.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-12 04:24 pm (UTC)
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Also, shouldn't those be .ogv files.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-08-19 10:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Using HTML5 Video tags would be nice | (Link)
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I thought of that, but when I went to grab a nightly to try out, files without audio played back with no attention to timing, playback only worked first time through, and the controls were all shifted out of the frame. In short, using the video tags is high on my list-- but not before they actually work right :-)
As for the .ogv comment, yes you're right of course. Old habits.
Monty
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-18 01:59 pm (UTC)
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That improvement is very very noticeable... Great work!
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-18 07:20 pm (UTC)
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Hello Monty
I've read about the Thusnelda project 3 months ago and i'm very enthousiast about it :) My question is: is it possible to correctly decode a video stream encoded with Thusnelda,using entirely the current Theora specification?If not,which modifications are needed on the decoder side? I'm sorry for my bad english
Kind regards Alberto
Thusnelda stays 100% within the Theora 1.0 spec. Spec-compliant decoders are able to decode Thusnelda streams without any change.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-08-19 02:18 pm (UTC)
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Many thanks for this information,maikmerten :) Cheers
Alberto
From: (Anonymous) 2008-09-20 08:08 pm (UTC)
Sweet! | (Link)
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This is actually an exciting improvement! I've been looking forward to being able to use an unencumbered video format that didn't suck, so this is encouraging.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-09-28 12:51 am (UTC)
Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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I see a lot of improvements in these clips.
Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda to do some tests?
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-09-30 07:14 am (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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Not yet. Thusnelda is unfinished (and waiting for me to get back to it as I push out overdue releases of other software. Hopefully I've just finished that tonight! Theora 1.0 being the most overdue of the releases :-)
What's unfinished about Thusnelda is the auto-setup code. Right now it has to have about ten different dials hand set for a given encoding mode. I'm hoping it's about a month from alpha.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-09-30 08:03 am (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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How far is Theora 1.0 release?
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-09-30 08:34 am (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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I signed off on 1.0b4/RC tonight and handed it off to get binaries built and tarballs rolled. That becomes 1.0 about a week later if no new blockers come up.
I'm officially back on Thusnelds.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-10-11 04:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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New release of ffmpeg2theora has a version with Thusnelda.
From: (Anonymous) 2008-10-31 05:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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Is there a standard command-line test to see if a video was encoded with Thusnelda (e.g., ogginfo or oggzinfo output)? -G. Chriss
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-11-01 03:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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The Thusnelda encoder sets the vendor string in the comment tags to "Xiph.Org libThusnelda I XXXXXXXXX" where the Xs are a date string.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/70118889/829507) | From: xiphmont 2008-11-01 03:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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Hm, I wonder how it's doing that given the number of Thusnelda setup values that need to be set entirely by hand right now....
From: (Anonymous) 2008-11-01 04:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Is there any version of ffmpeg2theora that uses Thusnelda? | (Link)
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"New release of ffmpeg2theora has a version with Thusnelda." I don't think this is correct; the reason I asked about the version string is that I got Theora ~1.0 video after compiling both theora-thusnelda and ffmpeg2theora from SVN. -G. Chriss
From: (Anonymous) 2008-10-08 11:05 am (UTC)
Another update? | (Link)
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Can we please get another update about the Thusnelda stuff?
From: (Anonymous) 2009-03-06 03:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Another update? | (Link)
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Hello,
i would be as well interested in the recent development of Thusnelda and Ogg Theora. We use it as video solution for the online archive of the Slovak Philharmonic Orchestra: http://stream.filharmonia.sk .. |